From ab7b+@andrew.cmu.edu Sun Jan 16 17:45:23 PST 1994

   To the net readership of talk bizarre
The post put in by 5150 is in reference to my e-mail sent to 5150@netcom.com
getting sent to misc.test, when I was protesting his repeated flaming.
Mr Rone has taken something from misc.test, which in reference to mail I sent
HIM being sent automatically to misc.test.
  I was getting computer messages galore from misc.test. All of which
were merely junk mail.
  Dr. Gooley has advised me not to explain my position. I felt that just this
ONE time, that I ought to break the rule, to explain something being taken
out of context , by Mr. Rone, or whomever he is.
   Lets give Mr. rone a big hand for being smart enough to route all of my e-
mail sent to him in protest of his flaming, to misc.test, and for merely
getting 
stations from as far away as Durham, South Africa to respond to my e-mail. I 
learned the following from Mr. Rones ( ???) creative actions:
(1) : Talk Bizarre, misc.test, and some of the other user net groups have
European, South African, and some East Asian readership. I am in dept to
him for 
revealing the full extent of the net work. Way to go!
(2) : One can get objectionable mail notices from all of these strange stations
overseas. IF one perhaps cultivates the postmasters of such receiving
nodes, then one may be able to break into the overseas nets as well.
(3) : In addition to the net material being fully internationally distributed,
I also know now, thanks to Mr. Rone (???) that the readership in such
far off places is fully able to read into the nuances of American style
English. This may be a way of saying that the English Mother tongue has
an influence all out of proportion to what I had believed possible,
earlier.
    Thank you so much for this facinating process of education, Mr. rone (???).
I owe you a lot for it. 
  Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. The little flame war I
have been 
exposed to , via this man has enabled me to break into a different
communication
realm than what I expected.

   To Dr. Gooley, and others, who have urged me to exercise restraint,
all I will say is that this is the LAST posting of Mr.rone I will EVER
respond to. I
am now in correspondence with computer staff overseas due to Mr. rones
genius in 
routing my mail overseas. I will be busy enough with that, perhaps
learning something in the process, and maybe posting some humor the net
will appreciate 
from my overseas contacts, in the future.

                              Andrew Beckwith


From ab7b+@andrew.cmu.edu Sat Feb 26 15:46:10 PST 1994

Excerpts from netnews.talk.bizarre: 25-Feb-94 The Last Straw Michael
Rigler@dao.nrc.c (1813)

> From: rigler@dao.nrc.ca (Michael Rigler)
> Subject: The Last Straw
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 94 20:03:34 GMT


> Talk.Bizarre really stinks these days.

> Our group is befouled daily by rampant crossposting and inane 
> lame-O followups.  Now I see that my brilliant "spare a square" 
> article has been crossposted to alt.drugs.  Thanks a lot.

> I propose that we implement the usual three-part program to 
> clean things up:

> Firstly, I call upon all creative posters -- regardless of status 
> -- to exert their muses to the fullest while remaining pure of 
> all sin.  Shine as you have never shined.  Elevate yourselves so 
> high above the level of the pathetic that the continuum between 
> is replaced by a gap, so that an external observer would see two 
> distinct quantum states existing within our group and could 
> easily choose between them.

> Secondly, I call upon all quality flamers, and I'm talking true
> pain inflictors here -- masters such as Vail, Andsol, Leopold 
> Stewart, Vogel -- to drop what they're doing and PUNISH PUNISH 
> PUNISH the heathens without mercy or pause.  You are the pit 
> bulls of tb, the guardians at the gate, and we need your services 
> like never before.

> And finally, the swillmongers and crossposters such as McCrawly, 
> L.H.Wood and their ilk can also join in the effort.  I ask each 
> of you to consider the effort you will expend at your keyboard 
> typing in another month's drivel.  Visualize that integrated 
> kinetic energy, then bring your fingers and thumb of your right 
> hand together to a point, and, recalling that flesh is stronger 
> than steel, expend that energy in one glorious second by ramming 
> your fingers through your forehead.  We will canonize you later.

> Right!  We all have our tasks.  Let's get to it... 

> ---
> Michael Rigler     "The net is not a dumping ground for
>                     the frustration of mental midgets."  

>                                     -- Andrew Beckwith


    I  could not agree,more. The biggest blight seems to be in two areas
(1) :  Booby trap cross posting.  As an example, the " Kibo election 
results " messages were cross posted to , nearly 14 groups at a time.\ 
 (2) : Mail bombing. Mr. Rone, 5150, has  repeatedly sent my e-mail
to misc test, generating scads of mail, from bleepin machines.
      Although I am certainly partly to blame for some of the mess, a 
moratorium  on these two habits would do a LOT to stop the  flame wars.
There is NOTHING more irritating than people like Mr. Rone mail bombing\
another poster, with up to 20 automatic replies received in a SINGLE day,
and this sort of thing manufactures surliness and unpleasantness  faster than
a  cat has kittens.
        Cutting these habits out, would do a lot to keep tempers under control.
Also, a simple act of courtesty, mainly that of ignoring posts a person does
not like , would also cut a lot of the invectives out.
       I  like the posts on this net, generally. A little flaming is not
so bad , or
big a deal. It becomes a very different matter, when the squabbles lead
to transgressions , off the talk bizarre net, which verge on harassment.

                                                              Andrew Beckwith